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    Robert Lessenger


    So, I was looking a bit at the ‘Vedic Cosmology’ book again. I have my own opinions as you know, but I’m not against the Vedic presentation, but think it is not understood. But speculate as I do, we kind of last left off with Mount Meru being invisible and not blocking Sunlight etc., and I was thinking, the Vedic idea is that the Sun orbits Mount Meru. OK, and no one can determine the orbit of the Sun, pretty much at all. So, perhaps there is something like the “modern” solar system view actually taking place, meaning planets revolving around the Sun, but ALSO that the Sun orbits an invisible Mount Meru. The “modern” “solar system” could orbit Mount Meru. Even modern scientists attest to there being invisible matter making up even a majority of the mass of the universe. So this mass may be the realms of the demigods, the underlying apparatus of how the universe works, etc.  I think there could have been some misunderstanding between this Earth globe and that underlying “universal” apparatus. The Vedic astronomer was Speaking to Srila Prabhupada that the concept of planets is a recent thing in Vedic thought.  Previously perhaps persons perceived and spoke about the underlying universal apparatus more than the individual planets. Measurements of that apparatus could vary similar to how time varies between various realms also.

    Mystical measurements might vary simply because things can become smaller or bigger through mysticism. If a yogi can reach out and obtain anything within the universe, how far does he actually reach ? On a mystical level, does time and space become immeasurable, and yet on a non-mystical platform, it has definable parameters ?

    Distances are measured according to physical bodies or length of time via certain modes of travel. If a yogi can become smaller than the smallest and reach anything in the world without moving, or demigods have vastly different life spans and time movement within their realms, how may distance measurements vary hugely in Vedic cosmology depending on who is measuring what, in what form of existence, and by what means of distance traveling ?

    If the distances were not measured by a man on Earth, distances shouldn’t make any sense to a man on Earth. Who measured the universe in Vedic cosmology? Narada, who travels anywhere through any time zone amongst any forms of life? The knowledge as given, was it spoken originally to man on this Earth? Surya to a King? A normal man King?

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    Robert Lessenger

    Answer from Danavir Goswami

    The orbit of the sun is one of the most accessible among planets in our universe to measure according to Vedic information. Known are its altitude, the length of its orbit, the speed of the sun’s movement, the up and down motions…all are given.
    It is true that there are relative time measurements for different locations and species [Lord Brahma’s day, the demigods’ day and men on earth’s day] however, there is a Vedic standard distance measurement which is the yojana. The yojana could be of different distances according to the size of the person from who it was measured. In that sense your approach [relative measurements] could have had strength if it had not been concluded by much higher authorities that the material universes are finite and measurable via the yojana. The yojana of eight miles is accepted by all the Vedic authorities and thus we need not go back and try to retrace why it was accepted or why it could be different. Consider the following:

    sri-suka uvaca
    etavan eva bhu-valayasya sannivesah pramana-laksanato vyakhyatah.

    Sukadeva Gosvami said: My dear King, I have thus far described the diameter of the universe [fifty crores of yojanas, or four billion miles] and its general characteristics, according to the estimations of learned scholars. (Srimad Bhagavatam 5.21.2)

    Those learned scholars are the purest devotees, the most gifted mystics and tri-kala-jna seers of the universe. How can we second-guess their conclusions?

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Robert LessengerHome › Forums › Cosmology › Measuring Distances This topic contains 1 reply, has 1 voice, and was last updated by  Robert Lessenger 3 years, 1 month ago. Author Posts July 14, 2015 at 5:20 pm #626 Robert LessengerKeymaster QUESTION So, I was looking a bit at the ‘Vedic Cosmology’ book again. I have my own opinions...